Jump to content

Talk:USS Liberty incident

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Former featured article candidateUSS Liberty incident is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 21, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
On this day...Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on June 8, 2004, June 8, 2007, June 8, 2019, and June 8, 2023.

Survivors of The USS Liberty dispute Naval investigation

[edit]

BBC has produced an alternative story to what really happened in regards to the Israei attack on The USS Liberty. "USS Liberty:Dead in the Water" 2002 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA Along with the BBC the vertrans of The USS Liberty has a website dedicated to the events that took place on that fateful day. http://www.gtr5.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevoconnor16 (talkcontribs)

[edit]

Is the equivocal definition of "deliberate" a problem that could use some clarification?

[edit]

The word "deliberate" seems to be used here as some sort of negation of "accident" or "mistake". There is a problem in that "deliberate" means, "the result of deliberation," which does not necessarily imply that the deliberations are correct; yet the word "deliberate" could be taken to mean that the end result considering all of the eventual facts was intended. There is a substantial difference between a deliberation with mistaken facts/assumptions and one with no errors. IOW, Israel, as the result of a deliberations in an information deficit due to the fog of war, came to the mistaken conclusion that the USS Liberty was a hostile Egyptian ship and as a result made the positive decision to attack it, as they were at war with Egypt. This is not the same as having positively identified it as an American vessel and positively decided to attack the United States -- a nation they were not at war with. That something was done after deliberation does not mean that the results are intended, since deliberation is just the process of thinking things over and does not mean you know everything, or even anything at all. Something can be done after deliberation which is still a mistake/unintended/an accident of information at hand. 2601:19E:4280:5853:2C01:795B:F90E:4D52 (talk) 02:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All 11 times we use the word "deliberate" in the article prose, it is as part of a direct or indirect, attributed quote. MW also includes the relevant definition: characterized by awareness of the consequences. In context "done after deliberation" is not the definition being used here, and even it was, we would not use our own original synthesis as editors to arrive at a conclusion different than those attributed to relevant sources. VQuakr (talk) 03:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was no abandon ship order

[edit]

The current page says "Israeli ships' actions after the torpedo hit: Officers and men of Liberty say that after the torpedo attack and the abandon ship order". The citation only claims that there was an order to "prepare to abandon ship". 2603:3023:106:1800:C210:7C2E:83FF:6ECE (talk) 00:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 October 2024

[edit]

Make the language of this article, at least the first few paragraphs where most viewers will skim, more neutral. "Israel apologized, saying they thought it was an Egyptian ship" > "Israel issued an apology, claiming they thought it was an Egyptian ship" etc. The facts are not clear cut enough to present the article the biased way it is being presented now. Jester6482 (talk) 12:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Wikipedia tries to avoid using the word "claim" because it creates an implication that we're taking a side in the dispute and risks violating the neutral point of view policy. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]